Talk:Phantom Vortex (Item)/@comment-34948642-20181011230809/@comment-34617836-20181025214744

Okay, so, several things I'd like to point out.

'''Rarity of items is not determined by how commen they are. The term "rare" for an item on AJ (and I don't mean items with rare tags like RIMs) means how much it's worth, not how easy it is to find.'''

HDs are only available through trading now. They were removed from everywhere else due to the fact that some people found them to be offensive. (Honestly, why AJHQ didn't remove all of them, I have no idea.)  And HDs were released in 2011, which is a year after beta testing ended, thus it is not a clothing beta. Beta testing started in June, 2010, and ended about a month later.

You can't count unreleased items in the rarity system because they don't exist in-game. And nobody claimed HDs were the game's rarest items.

It is true, magenta items, glitched items, collectors items, (etc.) are rarer than HDs. But you can't say HDs are fake or not real rares and things like magenta, glitched, or collector's items are the only true rares. As I said before, the term "rare" doens't refer to how many are in the game or how easily you can find them; it refers to how much the item is worth.

 I do agree that most RIMs are not worth much.

-Some RIMs however have not been able to be obtained through anything but trading since they were removed from stores. These RIMs are worth more because of this. Some examples are:

-Rare Pirate Hat

-Rare Nerd Glasses (the ones with white tape)

-Rare Cupid Wings

-Rare Furry Hat

These are just a few examples. There are many more unobtainable RIMs that are actually worth a lot; but to save the hassle of typing a lot of RIMs I picked just a few of the more well-known ones.

-Also, rare spiked collars are not RIMs. They were one of the monthly member gifts in July, 2011, meaning all members during that month would recieve one random rare spiked collar or wristband, long or short. They are very hard to find in The Forgotten Desert, and any spikes with diamond tags (even the ones with diamond rare tags) are not worth nearly as much since they were released a long time after the original spikes and were in stores (as I stated earlier, the original rare spikes with just rare tags and not diamond rare tags were never in stores, and every member during that month would recieve only one spike and it could be any color, collar or wristband, long or short.) Thus the diamond shop spikes are a lot less rare, since there were probably a lot more players since July, 2011, at that point, and they could buy as many as they wanted and whatever colors.

-No, 20 RIMs is not worth much. I do believe however that there is only a certain small group of RIMs that can be obtained by the daily spin. I have only seen a small (relatively small compared to the whole number of RIMs in the entire game) amount of different RIMs from the daily spin. Yes, RIMs do come to stores every Monday and it is easy to stock up on casual RIMs, but, they are definitely worth more than in-stores items. Some items are simply worth a few RIMs, but certainly not worth in-stores items.

-I'm assuming the rare white bow you are talking about is the white varient of the Rare Bow and Arrows. None of the Rare Bow and Arrows are RIMs. Let me explain. There were a group of color varients of Bow and Arrows available from the Jamaaliday Gift Calendar. The second year that the calendar was released, the old group of color varients were taken out, given rare tags and renamed Rare Bow and Arrows. They were replaced by a different group of color varients; the ones still in the calendar every year now. Purple HDs and puple/white Head Feathers are unobtainable RIMs, like the ones I previously mentioned. Rare fox hats are still clothing betas. They were released during beta testing (without rare tags) and when beta testing ended they left stores. Later, in 2012, they were re-released as a RIM, just with added rare tags.

'Clothing and den betas (items released during beta testing) cannot become no-longer betas. If it was released during beta testing, it is a beta, and will always be a beta. If it was not released during beta testing, it is not a beta and will never be a beta. There is no such thing as a "formally beta item". Just because a beta item is still in stores today does not make it no longer a beta. "Beta" does not mean "out of stores". '

Color variations

-Some color varients of items are more rare than others because of how you can get them. And it does matter to people, (clearly, since some colors of items are rarer than others), what color the item they're trading for is. And black is usually the highest-worth color varient of anything because people do like black items; I believe it is because black is a very easy color to match with any other colors.

Neon bows are not more rare just because people like that color. Neon bows are more rare because they ''were never available in the Jamaaliday Gift Calendar like all the other varients. ''They are only available in The Forgotten Desert. And "a few betas to a few longs" is a huge price difference. Even the worst long collar, the orange long, is worth more than just a few den betas. And the neon bow is also not worth a few longs, it is currently worth an orange long collar. The brown Jamaaliday Scarf and the dark red Holiday Sweater are another two examples. Both could only be obtained through The Forgotten Desert, unlike all the other varients; thus making both rarer than the rest.

'I do not hold to the belief that the worths of items all depend on the jammer and what they want. If we all based the worth of items off of that, there'd be no rarity system and no trading, because everyone would ask for something different. '

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'''I hope that you've all learned something from this. HDs and spikes are indeed quite rare. As I said before, "rare" does not mean how many there are or how easy it is to find them. It means how much the item is worth. And again, nobody is claiming that HDs and spikes are the rarest items.'''

''Necklaces are not "former clothing betas". They are still clothing betas. Like I stated earlier, "beta" does not mean "out of stores". If something was released during beta testing, it is a beta and always will be a beta. And may I add that necklaces are '''currently in stores. I'm pretty sure that they have never left stores, and rare spiked collars and wristbands (not diamond shop ones) were only available for one month, and each member in that month would recieve only one spike''', and they could not choose what color, if it was a long or short, or if it was a collar or wristband. It was completely random, as I said before. I do not presume to understand why some things in the rarity system are how they are; they just are. ''

One more thing to remember:

'Rarity of any item is based off of the demand of that item. If nobody wants an item, it won't be worth anything. '